uh, wednesday, i went for a VERY slow 1.25 hour mtbike ride, a very hard 4.25mile run (about 7minute pace). then lifted weights.
today, played a mini tournament with the kids. so, 5 games to 3, the last against the 'stacked team' was 15 minutes long with lots of running.
next week we go back to practice seriously getting ready for district (the local tournament)... my joke with the kids, is, we peak for state, then we ramp back for districts. we'll have tryouts after that. i like everyone loose for tryouts.
then i had league night tonight. we won, running away, but it was chippy. i'm probably to blame: but here's where i got bent.
disc goes up, our deep deep (athlete, but novice player), holds his ground, and gets the sky. on the way down, or perhaps as both, basically stationary players go up, there is some minor contact. the offensive player calls foul. i don't yell, 'send it back', but i do turn to the captain and say, 'really, what do you think?' he says, 'hey just let them sort it out.' that shit just kills me, but what do you think?
what is a correct outcome:
let them sort it out?
or, is it correct to make the right call?
is it a 'no contact sport?'
i know where i stand, but i'm looking for feedback from the conflict resolution crowd.
I think we won 11-4, and i got a comeback block on game point. i was prety high on that, even if it was a mediocre block in the grand scheme of things.
5 comments:
let them sort it out... gauge how your player reacts and handles himself. talk with him later. move on.
Where do you draw the the line between incidental and non incidental contact?
incidental to me is:
doesn't affect the play, and, isn't a foul by the other standards (reckless endangerment, etc), it's by definintion OK.
i have another question: you see your player (as a coach) or team mate make a bad call. is it right to 'let them sort it out?'
You're not on the field so i don't think that you're in the position do call the incidental contact. Ultimate is the "Spirit of the Game" to be into the spirit you have to be playing... let the players on the field work it out.
From Section 1. Introduction, item B. "Spirit of the Game. Ultimate relies upon a spirit of sportsmanship that places the responsibility for fair play on the player. Highly competitive play is encouraged, but never at the expense of mutual respect among competitors, adherence to the agreed upon rules, or the basic joy of play. Protection of these vital elements serves to eliminate unsportsmanlike conduct from the Ultimate field. Such actions as taunting opposing players, dangerous aggression, belligerent intimidation, intentional infractions, or other 'win-at-all-costs' behavior are contrary to the Spirit of the Game and must be avoided by all players."
my basic complaint is the part about adherence to the agreed upon rules. is it ok for a player who knows the rules to take advantage of one who doesn't?
context matters. if it's nationals, clubs, you are SUPPOSED to know all the rules. if it's city league, or HS, you'd LIKE THEM to know the rules. but my question is:
if they DON'T know the rules in their entirety, whether the one making the call, or the opponent, do you really think it's a better outcome for the contestants to functionally create their own rules? or for the more experienced player to dictate play by fiat?
i find this horrific. in a teaching league, teach the rules. if neither player correctly knows the rules, it is the duty (see ettiquette) to teach the rules.
if you play pickup basketball with new players, do you let them run with the ball?
if you play flag football, do you let the players slap the face of the opponent?
to do so, or to allow new players to violate the rules, or to allow a more experienced player to violate the rules, and win on the 'let the players' sort it out, is the worst sort of 'spirit of the game.' sportsmanship requires that you play by the rules. if you don't know the rules, you should relish the opportunity to learn the rules.
it is a tragic fallacy that players will adhere to some concept of 'spirit' where it contradicts 'sportsmanship.'
this is the worst kind of mindset, to me.
but i recognize that it is covered in basic personality tests that ask:
what is more important to you
a) the right outcome is achieved
b) consensus is achieved.
this is perhaps fundamental in understanding the continuum of refs versus self officiated. there are many pro ref players who don't bother to learn the rules. but at the same time, self officiation is predicated upon understanding of the rules.
let's learn the rules, and then be willing to live by the rules:
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